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''Johan Nicholas Klein'' is not in my direct ancestry. He is 1 step removed in the following ways:
 
''Johan Nicholas Klein'' is not in my direct ancestry. He is 1 step removed in the following ways:
 
* Brother of [[Johan Jacob Klein]]
 
* Brother of [[Johan Jacob Klein]]
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* Son of [[Johannes Peter Klein]] and [[Catherine Unknown]]
 
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| '''Birth'''    ||March 5, 1772; bap. April 9, 1772  || Lower Macungie Twp. Lehigh Co. PA  || || <sup class="reference"></sup>
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| '''Birth'''    ||5 March 1772; bap. April 9, 1772  || Lower Macungie Twp. Lehigh Co. PA  || || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
 
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| '''Marriage''' ||  ||expect Lehigh Co PA  || To Maria Unknown  || <sup class="reference"></sup>
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| '''Baptism'''    ||9Apr 1772  || Zion's Lutheran Church/(Lehigh Church) ||sponsors: Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser. || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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| '''1st Marriage''' ||  ||expect Lehigh Co PA  || To Magdalena Unknown  || <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
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| '''2nd Marriage''' ||  ||expect Lehigh Co PA  || To Maria Unknown  || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
 
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|David Kleyn || M ||June 23,1802; bap. July 18, 1802 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA ||  ||sponsors: Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)|| <sup class="reference"></sup>
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|Catharina Klein || F ||17 Jan 1802; bap.24 Aug ||Longswamp T. Berks Co PA ||  ||sponsors: [[Johannes Peter Klein|Johannes]] & <br> [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina Klein]]".  || <sup class="reference">[2] </sup>
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|  Peter Kleyn    || M || May 25, 1804; bap. July 15, 1804||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||  || sponsors: Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina|| <sup class="reference"></sup>
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|David Kleyn  || M ||June 23,1802; bap. July 18, 1802 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA ||  ||sponsors: Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)|| <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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|  Peter Kleyn    || M || May 25, 1804; bap. July 15, 1804||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||  || sponsors: Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina|| <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
 
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| Elisabeth Kleyn ||F ||May 13, 1806; bap.July 13, 1806 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||    ||sponsors: Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single. || <sup class="reference"></sup>
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| Elisabeth Kleyn ||F ||May 13, 1806; bap.July 13, 1806 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||    ||sponsors: Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single. || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
 
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| Salome Klein  || F ||May 6, 1808; bap. July 24, 1808 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA    ||  || sponsors: Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.  || <sup class="reference"></sup>
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| Salome Klein  || F ||May 6, 1808; bap. July 24, 1808 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA    ||  || sponsors: Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.  || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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|Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||1772 birth - at least 1808, birth of 4th child  || ||<sup class="reference">[1][3]</sup>
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John Klein: 1 male and 1 female >45.  This fits for ''Johannes Peter Klein'' and his wife.<br>Jacob Klein: 4 males <10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female <10, 1 female 26-44.  This fits the list of children for ''Johan Jacob Klein''.  There is an extra male 16-25, and the age for [[Elizabetha Vogele]] is off by a year.<br> Henry Klein: 1 male 16-26, 2 females <10, 1 female 16-26.  No known relation fits these data.  <br> These listing account for all the sons of Johannes Peter Klein except for the youngest, [[Johannes Klein]], who should have been 26 in 1800.  He could be one of the males living with his brothers.
 
John Klein: 1 male and 1 female >45.  This fits for ''Johannes Peter Klein'' and his wife.<br>Jacob Klein: 4 males <10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female <10, 1 female 26-44.  This fits the list of children for ''Johan Jacob Klein''.  There is an extra male 16-25, and the age for [[Elizabetha Vogele]] is off by a year.<br> Henry Klein: 1 male 16-26, 2 females <10, 1 female 16-26.  No known relation fits these data.  <br> These listing account for all the sons of Johannes Peter Klein except for the youngest, [[Johannes Klein]], who should have been 26 in 1800.  He could be one of the males living with his brothers.
 
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|'''Church Records of Longswamp Reformed Church 1748-1810''', Folder #78, Longswamp Twp. collection, Berks Co. Genealogical Society Library, Kutztown, PA. , photocopy Feb. 1995 By E W Williams.<br>"Catharina Klein, dau. of Joh. Nicolaus & Magdalena Klein, born 17 Jan. 1800, baptized 24 Aug., sponsors [[Johannes Peter Klein|Johannes]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina Klein]]".   
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*Baptisms of children of Nicolaus Klein and Maria:  David, Peter, Elisabeth, & Salome Kleyn, with birth dates,  baptismal dates, sponsors.
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|See [[Longswamp Reformed Church Records]] for Klein & other surnames.
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|'''Church Records of Longswamp Reformed Church 1748-1810''', Folder #78, Longswamp Twp. collection, Berks Co. Genealogical Society Library, Kutztown, PA. , photocopy Feb. 1995 By E W Williams.<br>"Elisabetha Klein, dau. of Nicolaus & Elisabetha, born 14 Apr. 1775, bapt. 5 Jun., sponsors Johann Jacob Muller & ''Magdalena Klein'' (single)".<br>"Catharina Klein, dau. of Joh. Nicolaus & Magdalena Klein, born 17 Jan. 1800, baptized 24 Aug., sponsors''Johannes & Catharina Klein''".  <br>Ed.  If Nicholas Klein of these Longswamp Church baptisms is the son of Johannes & Catharina Klein, he appears to have married  Elisabetha first, then Magdalena Klein (a cousin?), with Maria Unknown of The Lehigh Church baptisms being then a thrid wife. The Reformed Church in Longswamp, Berks Co. was about 5 miles from the (Lutheran) Lehigh Church where Johannes & Catharina Klein were members. 
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<br> "Nicholas Klein with Sarah Littweiler (single) sponsor Daniel Littweiler on 7 Jun 1778."<br>Ed. this event may have fallen between the first two marriages listed above.  It is unclear whether the "single" notation applies to both Nicholas and Sarah.    As Nicholas Klein, son of Johannes & Catherine, is of the 3rd generation of Kleins to live in the Lehigh/Berks border area, there may well be more than one Nicholas Klein in the church records.
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* Johannes Klein & Catharina, parents; Johann Nicolaus Klein born March 5, 1772; bapt. April 9, 1772; sponsors Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser.
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<br>Children of Nicolaus Kleyn/Klein & Maria:
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*  Peter Kleyn  b. 25 May 1804; bapt. 15 July 15 1804; parents '''Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria'''; sponsors Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina
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*  Elisabeth Kleyn b. 13 May 13 1806; bapt. 13 July 13 1806; parents '''Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria'''; sponosors Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single.
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* Salome Klein b. 6 May 1808; bapt. 24 July 1808; parents '''Nicolaus Klein & Maria'''; sponsors Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.
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* David Kleyn  b. 23 June 1802; bapt. 18 July 1802; parents '''Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria'''; sponsors Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)
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|See [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]]
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|''' ''The History of the Counties of Lehigh and Carbon'' ''', PA by Alfred Mathews, p. 331-32 biography of Phillip Lauer.
 
|''' ''The History of the Counties of Lehigh and Carbon'' ''', PA by Alfred Mathews, p. 331-32 biography of Phillip Lauer.
  
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<br>"[[Phillip Lauer]] settled upon a tract of forty-seven acres of land which he bought April 10 A.D. 1810, from '''Nicholas Klein'''. This was a part of a farm of one hundred eighty acres which was surveyed and warranted to Casper Blylor, on the 29th day of April, 1746.  It lies one mile east of the village of Alburtis, and is now occupied by his grandson, Jonas Lauer.  May 28, 1827, Phillip obtained a patent thereof from the commonwealth upon giving an indenture of mortgage thereon for the sum of $141.29.
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<br>"[[Phillip Lauer]] settled upon a tract of forty-seven acres of land which he bought April 10 A.D. 1810, from '''Nicholas Klein'''. This was a part of a farm of one hundred eighty acres which was surveyed and warranted to Casper Blylor, on the 29th day of April, 1746.  It lies ''one mile east of the village of Alburtis'', and is now occupied by his grandson, Jonas Lauer.  May 28, 1827, Phillip obtained a patent thereof from the commonwealth upon giving an indenture of mortgage thereon for the sum of $141.29.
  
 
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===Source notes===
 
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*Whether the Nicholas Klein of Longswamp Church in 1800 is the same person as Nicholas Klein/Kleyn of The Lehigh Church in 1802-1808 is unclear.  His first wife, Magdalena may have died, as there is only the one record at Longswamp. Nicholas possibly remarried to Maria from the Lehigh congregation.  Because the baptismal sponsors at Longswamp in 1800 are Johannes & Catherina Klein, it is probable that Nicholas (married to Magdalena) is their son.  The relationship of Nicholas (married to Maria, with children born 1802-1808) is less certain. The Anna Maria & Jacob Truckenmiller who sponsor the birth of Salome Klein are tangentially related to Nicholas Klein the son of Johan Peter Klein.  Anna Maria Truckenmiller was nee Vogele, a sister of [[Elizabetha Vogele]] who married Nicholas Klein's brother [[Johan Jacob Klein]].
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*We expect that Nicholas Klein, son of Johannes Peter Klein,  was named for an uncle Nicholas Klein.  There is a Nicholas Klein and Margaretha, whose  four children were born between 1776 and 1781, as recorded in [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]].  This older Nicholas is probably a brother of [[Johannes Peter Klein]], but we have no record of him as such. <br>* '''Johann Nicolaus Klein''' b. 5 March 1772; bapt 9 Apr 1772; parents [[Johannes Klein]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina]]; sponsors; ''Johan Nicolaus Klein'' & Catherine B. Keiser.
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* Abstracts of Berks Co. PA wills, 1812: FAUST, HANNAH, Bern. May 1, 1812 - December 11, 1812. Divided farm implements and stock between sons Philip and Ludwig.  To dau. Susanna household goods, etc.  Sons Dewald and Daniel £20 each. Exr: Friend Daniel WERDMAN.  ''Wits: Nicholas KLEIN and John KLEIN.''  Translation.<br>See at:  http://berks.pa-roots.com/wills/Abstracts1811-1815.html
  
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=Research Wishlist=
 
=Research Wishlist=
 
Longswamp church records for a possible marraige record, Joh. Nicholas Klein & Magdalena Unknown; a death record of Magdalena Klein, or additional baptismal records for children of Nicholas & Magdalena. Needed to establish whether Magdalena was a first wife to Nicholas, son of Johannes & Catharina Klein, or if Nicholas, husband of Magdalena, is another person.
 
Longswamp church records for a possible marraige record, Joh. Nicholas Klein & Magdalena Unknown; a death record of Magdalena Klein, or additional baptismal records for children of Nicholas & Magdalena. Needed to establish whether Magdalena was a first wife to Nicholas, son of Johannes & Catharina Klein, or if Nicholas, husband of Magdalena, is another person.

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[edit] NOT A DIRECT ANCESTOR

Johan Nicholas Klein is not in my direct ancestry. He is 1 step removed in the following ways:


Date Location Notes Sources
Birth 5 March 1772; bap. April 9, 1772 Lower Macungie Twp. Lehigh Co. PA [3]
Baptism 9Apr 1772 Zion's Lutheran Church/(Lehigh Church) sponsors: Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser. [3]
1st Marriage expect Lehigh Co PA To Magdalena Unknown [2]
2nd Marriage expect Lehigh Co PA To Maria Unknown [3]
Death
Burial

[edit] Ancestry chart segment 

   Generation 7           Generation 8          Generation 9
 
                                                     +-- Johannes Klein
                                                     |   (????->1744)
                        +-- Johannes Peter Klein ----+
                        |   (1741-1808)              |
 Johan Nicholas Klein --+                            +--Anna Margaretha Unknown
 (1766-????)            |                                (????-????)
                        +-- Catherine Unknown
                            (????->1818)
  Sources: [3]

[edit] Children

(Children with Magdalena Unknown)

Name Gender Date of Birth Birthplace Spouse Notes Sources
Catharina Klein F 17 Jan 1802; bap.24 Aug Longswamp T. Berks Co PA sponsors: Johannes &
Catharina Klein". 		[2]

(Children with Maria Unknown)

Name Gender Date of Birth Birthplace Spouse Notes Sources
David Kleyn M June 23,1802; bap. July 18, 1802 Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA sponsors: Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?) [3]
Peter Kleyn M May 25, 1804; bap. July 15, 1804 Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA sponsors: Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina [3]
Elisabeth Kleyn F May 13, 1806; bap.July 13, 1806 Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA sponsors: Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single. [3]
Salome Klein F May 6, 1808; bap. July 24, 1808 Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA sponsors: Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria. [3]

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Location Dates Notes Sources
Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA 1772 birth - at least 1808, birth of 4th child [1][3]


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1 1800 United States Federal Census, Maccongie Twp, Northampton Co, PA, Page 3. The census is undated. Lists families of:
Nicholas Klein: 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female <10, 1 female 26-45. The younger male and female do not fit for the children, all born after 1800)

John Klein: 1 male and 1 female >45. This fits for Johannes Peter Klein and his wife.
Jacob Klein: 4 males <10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female <10, 1 female 26-44. This fits the list of children for Johan Jacob Klein. There is an extra male 16-25, and the age for Elizabetha Vogele is off by a year.
Henry Klein: 1 male 16-26, 2 females <10, 1 female 16-26. No known relation fits these data.
These listing account for all the sons of Johannes Peter Klein except for the youngest, Johannes Klein, who should have been 26 in 1800. He could be one of the males living with his brothers.

1800 census pa northampton maccongie pg 3.jpg
2 Church Records of Longswamp Reformed Church 1748-1810, Folder #78, Longswamp Twp. collection, Berks Co. Genealogical Society Library, Kutztown, PA. , photocopy Feb. 1995 By E W Williams.
"Catharina Klein, dau. of Joh. Nicolaus & Magdalena Klein, born 17 Jan. 1800, baptized 24 Aug., sponsors Johannes & Catharina Klein". 		See Longswamp Reformed Church Records for Klein & other surnames.
3 Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church
  • Johannes Klein & Catharina, parents; Johann Nicolaus Klein born March 5, 1772; bapt. April 9, 1772; sponsors Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser.


Children of Nicolaus Kleyn/Klein & Maria:

  • Peter Kleyn b. 25 May 1804; bapt. 15 July 15 1804; parents Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria; sponsors Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina
  • Elisabeth Kleyn b. 13 May 13 1806; bapt. 13 July 13 1806; parents Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria; sponosors Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single.
  • Salome Klein b. 6 May 1808; bapt. 24 July 1808; parents Nicolaus Klein & Maria; sponsors Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.
  • David Kleyn b. 23 June 1802; bapt. 18 July 1802; parents Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria; sponsors Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)
See Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church
4 The History of the Counties of Lehigh and Carbon , PA by Alfred Mathews, p. 331-32 biography of Phillip Lauer.


"Phillip Lauer settled upon a tract of forty-seven acres of land which he bought April 10 A.D. 1810, from Nicholas Klein. This was a part of a farm of one hundred eighty acres which was surveyed and warranted to Casper Blylor, on the 29th day of April, 1746. It lies one mile east of the village of Alburtis, and is now occupied by his grandson, Jonas Lauer. May 28, 1827, Phillip obtained a patent thereof from the commonwealth upon giving an indenture of mortgage thereon for the sum of $141.29.


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  • Whether the Nicholas Klein of Longswamp Church in 1800 is the same person as Nicholas Klein/Kleyn of The Lehigh Church in 1802-1808 is unclear. His first wife, Magdalena may have died, as there is only the one record at Longswamp. Nicholas possibly remarried to Maria from the Lehigh congregation. Because the baptismal sponsors at Longswamp in 1800 are Johannes & Catherina Klein, it is probable that Nicholas (married to Magdalena) is their son. The relationship of Nicholas (married to Maria, with children born 1802-1808) is less certain. The Anna Maria & Jacob Truckenmiller who sponsor the birth of Salome Klein are tangentially related to Nicholas Klein the son of Johan Peter Klein. Anna Maria Truckenmiller was nee Vogele, a sister of Elizabetha Vogele who married Nicholas Klein's brother Johan Jacob Klein.
  • We expect that Nicholas Klein, son of Johannes Peter Klein, was named for an uncle Nicholas Klein. There is a Nicholas Klein and Margaretha, whose four children were born between 1776 and 1781, as recorded in Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church. This older Nicholas is probably a brother of Johannes Peter Klein, but we have no record of him as such.
    * Johann Nicolaus Klein b. 5 March 1772; bapt 9 Apr 1772; parents Johannes Klein & Catharina; sponsors; Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser.

[edit] Conjecture

  • Abstracts of Berks Co. PA wills, 1812: FAUST, HANNAH, Bern. May 1, 1812 - December 11, 1812. Divided farm implements and stock between sons Philip and Ludwig. To dau. Susanna household goods, etc. Sons Dewald and Daniel £20 each. Exr: Friend Daniel WERDMAN. Wits: Nicholas KLEIN and John KLEIN. Translation.
    See at: http://berks.pa-roots.com/wills/Abstracts1811-1815.html

[edit] Research Wishlist

Longswamp church records for a possible marraige record, Joh. Nicholas Klein & Magdalena Unknown; a death record of Magdalena Klein, or additional baptismal records for children of Nicholas & Magdalena. Needed to establish whether Magdalena was a first wife to Nicholas, son of Johannes & Catharina Klein, or if Nicholas, husband of Magdalena, is another person.

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