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=Research Notes=
 
=Research Notes=
Tracing Hannah M. Stoughton took this logic, from Jim Voltz:
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Tracing Hannah Stoughton, we follow this logic, from Jim Voltz:
*Remember that Susan Myers (b. 1814) of Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA married 1st John Hagan, & married 2nd [[Barnard V. Stoughton]], father of Hannah Stoughton.  Susan Myers was thus step-mother to Hannah Stoughton.
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*Remember that Susan Myers (b. 1814) of Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA married 1st John Hagan, & married 2nd [[Barnard V. Stoughton]], father of Hannah Stoughton.  Susan Myers was thus step-mother to Hannah Stoughton.  Hannah is found in the census 1840-1860 in her parents' household.
*No Hannah Stoughton (born PA about 1842) could be located in the 1870 census.
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*No Hannah Stoughton (born PA about 1842) has yet been located in the 1870 census.
*In 1880 census . Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA we find a Hannah M. (born PA ca. 1841), wife of John J. Myers (b. ~1817), and a servant girl Sarah Hermon age 19 (born ~1861).  Who is Sarah Hermon?
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*In 1880 census for Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA we find a Hannah M. (born PA ca. 1841), wife of John J. Myers (b. ~1817), and a servant girl Sarah Hermon age 19 (born ~1861).  Who is Sarah Hermon?
* In 1870 census, ancestry.com's search engine found no Sarah Hermon listed in PA. Could Sarah "Hermon" actually be Sarah Hagan, perhaps related to John Hagan, first husband of Susan Myers? Is there any evidence for a Sarah Hagan in the family of John Hagan?
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* In 1870 census, ancestry.com's search engine found no Sarah Hermon listed in PA. Could Sarah "Hermon" actually be Sarah Hagan, perhaps related to John Hagan, first husband of Susan Myers? That is, perhaps Hannah was housing as a servant girl her step-mother's (niece perhaps)from her first marriage. Is there any evidence for a Sarah Hagan in the family of John Hagan?
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* Could this John Myers (of the 1880 census) be the brother of Susan Myer (b. ~1810), step-mother of Hannah Stoughton ?  At 63 years old (b. 1817), he could be, age wise.  We don't know the parents of Susan. 
  
*In 1850 census, Piney Twp., Clarion Co., PA, lines 29-41, are 3 households:
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*In 1850 census, Piney Twp., Clarion Co., PA, lines 29-41, are 3 Myers households, living next to each other:
 
<br> Myers        Jacob          30    M    W    Farmer        800      Pa.   
 
<br> Myers        Jacob          30    M    W    Farmer        800      Pa.   
 
<br> Myers        Sarah          26    F    W    .              .        Pa.             
 
<br> Myers        Sarah          26    F    W    .              .        Pa.             
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<br> Myers        John          4    M    W    .              .        Pa.           
 
<br> Myers        John          4    M    W    .              .        Pa.           
 
<br> Myers        Henry          2    M    W    .              .        Pa.         
 
<br> Myers        Henry          2    M    W    .              .        Pa.         
<br> Myers        ''Valentine''     5/12  M    W    .              .        Pa.       
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<br> Myers        Valentine      5/12  M    W    .              .        Pa.       
 
<br><br> Myers        John          71    M    W    Farmer        800      Pa.         
 
<br><br> Myers        John          71    M    W    Farmer        800      Pa.         
 
<br> Myers        Elizabeth      65    F    W    .              .        Pa.           
 
<br> Myers        Elizabeth      65    F    W    .              .        Pa.           
 
<br> Myers        ''John''          34    M    W    Farmer        .        Pa.     
 
<br> Myers        ''John''          34    M    W    Farmer        .        Pa.     
<br> Myers        Valentine      32    M    W    .              .        Pa.       
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<br> Myers        ''Valentine''     32    M    W    .              .        Pa.       
 
<br> Myers        James          18    M    W    Farmer        .        Pa.   
 
<br> Myers        James          18    M    W    Farmer        .        Pa.   
 
<br><br> Myers        Joseph        28    M    W    Laborer        600      Pa.  
 
<br><br> Myers        Joseph        28    M    W    Laborer        600      Pa.  
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*The John Myers above,  age 34(b. ~1816),  appears to have a niece Sarah (b. 1845), the daughter of a Jacob Myers age 30. She is not the Sarah Hermon/possibly Hagan born ~ 1861, but the name obviously runs in the family.
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*John Myers age 34 (b. ~1816) has a brother Valentine age 32(b. ~1818); more below on Valentine.
  
*John Myers (b. ~1816) also has a brother Valentine age 32(b. ~1818), and a nephew Valentine age 5 months (b. ~1850); more below on Valentine.
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*This family in 1850 & 1860 census could be the family of John Myers' first marriage; the location seems reasonable.  (See also the 1870 census, in the sources chart above.)
  
 
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1850, Toby Twp., Clarion Co. PA:
* Could this John Myers be the brother of Susan Myer (b. ~1810), step-mother of Hannah Stoughton ?  At 63 years old (b. 1817), he could be, age wise.  We don't know the parents of Susan. 
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*John Myers was not still with parents in 1850.  It does look like this family in 1850 & 1860 census could be John Myers' first family; the location seems good.  (See also the 1870 census, in the sources chart above.)
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1850, Toby, Clarion:
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John Myers  36,
 
John Myers  36,
 
Lavinia  28,
 
Lavinia  28,
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Daniel Myers  22.
 
Daniel Myers  22.
  
<br>1860 Toby, Clarion PA, P.O. Rimersburg:   
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<br>1860 Toby Twp., Clarion Co. PA, P.O. Rimersburg:   
 
John Myers 49,  
 
John Myers 49,  
 
Levina Myers 33,  
 
Levina Myers 33,  
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John W. Morgan 10.
 
John W. Morgan 10.
  
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*John Myers was thus not still living with his parents in 1850. This means that we will not determine by census the father of John Myers, or of Susan Myer, as both are already married by 1850.
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* [[John Edward Hagan]]  (son of Susan Myer and 1st husband John Hagan) was living with the family of Valentine Myers (b. ~1825) in 1860. 
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*This appears to likely be John E. Myer's mother's brother's family (i.e. Susan Myer's brother John Myers' family).  This Valentine Myer's father was most likely John Myers seen above in the 1850 census, even though Valentine's age/birth year wobbles by 10 years).   
  
* [[John Edward Hagan]]  (son of John Hagan & Susan Myer) was living with the family of Valentine Myers (b. 1825) in 1860.  Valentine has a daughter Sarah J. born ~1857.  Could it be his mother's brother's family (i.e. Susan Myer's brother John Myers' family)? Valentine Myer's father was most likely John Myers (b. 1779).  See 1850 census below.  There was a John Myers who was most likely Valentine's brother (b. 1816) and wasn't married at age 34! Susan Myers was already married to Barnard Stoughton at this point.  (It is likely)that Hannah Stoughton married John Myers.  
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* We surmise, there was a John Myers who was most likely Valentine's brother (b. 1816) and wasn't married at age 34. Susan Myers was already married to [[Barnard V. Stoughton]] at this point.  It is likely that through Susan Myers Stoughton, her brother John Myers came to know her step-daughter Hannah Stoughton.  
  
*We need:  John Myers in 1860 censusI think he is by himself, but listed as a 40 year old when he was actually 44. Makes sense that a sister could set him up with a step daughter.
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* We need:  1)Obituaries from Clarion Newspaper for Hannah Myers, John J. Myers.  2)Evidence of a Sarah Hagan in family of John Hagan.
* We need:  obituaries from Clarion Newspaper.
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Revision as of 19:11, 13 March 2011



NOT A DIRECT ANCESTOR

Hannah Stoughton is not in my direct ancestry. She is two steps removed in the following ways:

Hannah Stoughton was probably born in Muddy Creek Twp., Butler County, PA. She was a young child, about 5 years old, when her mother, Susan Harvey, died. Her father moved by 1848 to Callensberg in Clarion Co. and remarried when Hannah was six; her step-mother Susan Myer raised her.

Date Location Notes Sources
Birth ~1842 expect Muddy Creek Twp. Butler Co., PA
Marriage To
Death
Burial

Ancestry chart segment

  Generation 5                   Generation 6                    Generation 7          
 
                                             
                                              
                                                    +-- John Stoughton  
                                                    |   (1773-1833)      
                    +-- Barnard VanZant Stoughton --+                    
                    |            (1817-1887)        |                         
 Hannah Stoughton --+                               +-- Catherine Covert
                    |                                   (1778->1850)
                    +-- Susan Harvey
                        (1817-1847)
 Sources:  [9] 

Children

Name Gender Date of Birth Birthplace Spouse Notes Sources


Places of Residence

Location Dates Notes Sources
Muddy Creek Twp, Butler Co, PA 1842-1847/48 from birth till death of her mother in 1847 [1][8]
Callensburg, Clarion Co. PA 1848 father remarried in 1848 [8]

Photos


Sources

Ref. Num. Description Image of original
1 1840 United States Federal Census, Muddy Creek Twp, Butler Co, PA, page 23. Census is not dated.
Family headed by Barnard Stoeton(sic): 2 males <5, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 20-30, 1 female 20-30.
Note: the male and female in their 20's are the proper ages for Barnard Stoughton and his wife Susan. The two youngest males are likely to be their children, but the 10-15 year old seems too old to be a child of someone in their 20's.
Family headed by Margaret Stoeton is two entries earlier; William Wimer is next entry.
1840 census pa butler muddy creek pg 23.jpg
2 1850 United States Federal Census, Piney Twp, Clarion Co, PA, page 24. Previous page dated 30 Sept. 1850.
Lines 16-25: B.W. Stoughton, 33, shoemake; Susannah, 33; John, 14; Joseph, 12; Elliott, 10; Hannah, 8; Catharine, 6; Susannah, 4; Jane, 2; Elizabeth, 1/2. John, Joseph, Elliott and Hannah attended school.
1850 census pa clarion piney pg 24.jpg
3 1860 United States Federal Census, Tionesta Twp, Venango Co, PA, page 13. Census dated 15 Aug 1860.
Lines 6-14:D.V. Stoten, 42, farmer, $500 real, $150 personal property; Susan, 46; Joseph, 21, farmer; E.H., 18, farmer; Hannah, 18, house keeping; Catherine, 16, house keeping; June, 12; Elizabeth, 10; Ida, 7. All b. PA.
Note: discrepancy in the name of Barnard V. ( as D.V.)Stoughton is likely a notational error by the census taker.
1860 census pa venango tionesta pg 13.jpg
4 1870 United States Federal Census
4A 1870 United States Federal Census, Toby Township, Clarion Co. Pa, pg.9. Date of census 21 July 1870.
Lines 5-7: Myers, John, age 53, male white, (Ritman Farms?), $1500 real estate, $400 personal estate. Lavinia, age 47. Mary Ann, age 12, in school. All born in PA.
5 1880 United States Federal Census, Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA, pg. 13. Census dae 10 June 1880.
Lines 7-9: Myers, John J., white male age 63, farmer. Hannah M. age 39, wife, keeping house. Hermon, Sarah age 19, hired girl. All, and all parents, born in PA.
1880 census pa clarion piney pg 13.jpg
6 1900 United States Federal Census
7 1910 United States Federal Census
8 Memories by Jennie Stoughton Osborn, Copyright 1935, Medicine Lodge, Kansas.
Pg. 2 "My mother was living on her farm near Matildaville, Pennsylvania when she met my father, Barnard VanZant Stoughton, who was working at his trade, the shoe business, in Kalensburg, Armstrong, Co., Pa. When I was about a year old they moved out to my mother's farm and there my two younger sisters were born. They then gathered the rest of the children into the home where those mischievous boys kept things stirring."
Pg. 3 "My mother, Susan Myer, had been the wife of John Hagan who died when they had been married twelve years, leaving her with one little boy, John Edward Hagan. Father had married Susan Harvey, but she died leaving six children: John, Joseph, Elliott, Hannah, Catharine, and Susan Blanche, the baby whom the mother gave to her sister, a Mrs. Dustin, who took her to Illinois... When we left mother's farm, we moved to Clarion County on a farm owned by one of mother's brothers and lived there one year; but father could not farm and do much at his trade too. So we moved into a little burg named Bellville. It was a crossroad town of a few houses, ...Sligo Furnace was (2 miles) south, Madison Furnace five miles west, Polk Furnace four miles north, and Curlville three miles East."
Pg. 12 "While we younger children were growing up, two of our brothers and two of our sisters were married. One brother Elliott went to Washington state, and Joseph in the Civil War was taken prisoner" (Joseph died before end of the war).
Note, per J. Voltz: John and Elliot were the older brothers. Hannah, Catherine, and Susan Blanche were her older sisters, but Susan didn't get married until after the move west. This means Hannah must have been married, probably to someone in Tionesta, Venango County since that was her last known residence. (Note: Tionesta changed to Forest County around that time). It doesn't seem like Jennie ever mentioned her again...From the way Jennie states things, Hannah's husband probably survived the war, but it isn't conclusive. Hannah didn't go west, so I presume that Forest County is the best place to look in the 1870 census for a Hannah born in 1842. She had to be close enough that Jennie could make winter visits. Brother John returned to Forest County before 1900. I wonder if he wanted to be close to his only family member in the area.
See full text
9 James Voltz correspondence 2008, ongoing: jlv100@psu.edu
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Source notes

Research Notes

Tracing Hannah Stoughton, we follow this logic, from Jim Voltz:

  • Remember that Susan Myers (b. 1814) of Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA married 1st John Hagan, & married 2nd Barnard V. Stoughton, father of Hannah Stoughton. Susan Myers was thus step-mother to Hannah Stoughton. Hannah is found in the census 1840-1860 in her parents' household.
  • No Hannah Stoughton (born PA about 1842) has yet been located in the 1870 census.
  • In 1880 census for Piney Twp., Clarion Co. PA we find a Hannah M. (born PA ca. 1841), wife of John J. Myers (b. ~1817), and a servant girl Sarah Hermon age 19 (born ~1861). Who is Sarah Hermon?
  • In 1870 census, ancestry.com's search engine found no Sarah Hermon listed in PA. Could Sarah "Hermon" actually be Sarah Hagan, perhaps related to John Hagan, first husband of Susan Myers? That is, perhaps Hannah was housing as a servant girl her step-mother's (niece perhaps)from her first marriage. Is there any evidence for a Sarah Hagan in the family of John Hagan?
  • Could this John Myers (of the 1880 census) be the brother of Susan Myer (b. ~1810), step-mother of Hannah Stoughton ? At 63 years old (b. 1817), he could be, age wise. We don't know the parents of Susan.
  • In 1850 census, Piney Twp., Clarion Co., PA, lines 29-41, are 3 Myers households, living next to each other:


Myers Jacob 30 M W Farmer 800 Pa.
Myers Sarah 26 F W . . Pa.
Myers Sarah 5 F W . . Pa.
Myers John 4 M W . . Pa.
Myers Henry 2 M W . . Pa.
Myers Valentine 5/12 M W . . Pa.

Myers John 71 M W Farmer 800 Pa.
Myers Elizabeth 65 F W . . Pa.
Myers John 34 M W Farmer . Pa.
Myers Valentine 32 M W . . Pa.
Myers James 18 M W Farmer . Pa.

Myers Joseph 28 M W Laborer 600 Pa.
Myers Margaret 21 F W . . Pa.


  • John Myers age 34 (b. ~1816) has a brother Valentine age 32(b. ~1818); more below on Valentine.
  • This family in 1850 & 1860 census could be the family of John Myers' first marriage; the location seems reasonable. (See also the 1870 census, in the sources chart above.)

1850, Toby Twp., Clarion Co. PA: John Myers 36, Lavinia 28, Ealy J. 7, Daniel Myers 22.


1860 Toby Twp., Clarion Co. PA, P.O. Rimersburg: John Myers 49, Levina Myers 33, Emily J Myers 17, John W. Morgan 10.

  • John Myers was thus not still living with his parents in 1850. This means that we will not determine by census the father of John Myers, or of Susan Myer, as both are already married by 1850.
  • John Edward Hagan (son of Susan Myer and 1st husband John Hagan) was living with the family of Valentine Myers (b. ~1825) in 1860.
  • This appears to likely be John E. Myer's mother's brother's family (i.e. Susan Myer's brother John Myers' family). This Valentine Myer's father was most likely John Myers seen above in the 1850 census, even though Valentine's age/birth year wobbles by 10 years).
  • We surmise, there was a John Myers who was most likely Valentine's brother (b. 1816) and wasn't married at age 34. Susan Myers was already married to Barnard V. Stoughton at this point. It is likely that through Susan Myers Stoughton, her brother John Myers came to know her step-daughter Hannah Stoughton.
  • We need: 1)Obituaries from Clarion Newspaper for Hannah Myers, John J. Myers. 2)Evidence of a Sarah Hagan in family of John Hagan.
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