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Liz: source 17 joh. frederick left Hitzelrode Ger in March 1852- Hessian Instititue Regional History

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source 17 joh. frederick left Hitzelrode Ger in March 1852- Hessian Instititue Regional History

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 [[Image:John Frederick wedding photo cropped.jpg|140px|left]][[Image:John Frederick.jpg|150px|left]][[Image:John Frederick 2.jpg|150px|left]] <br style="clear:both;"/>[[Image:Signature John Frederick.jpg|230px|left]]<br style="clear:both;"/>
 <br><br>The politics & economy of Hesse Cassel in 1850: "Hesse-Kassel or Electorate Hesse (Kurhessen) (was) a mid-size German state, strategically located between the main part of Prussia and the Prussian provinces of Westphalia in western Germany, traversed by two Prussian military roads. In the 1830s and 1840s, Hesse-Kassel was known chiefly for its poverty, its archaic agrarian structure, and its acrimonious constitutional politics. In the aftermath of the 1848 revolution, the very same issues which fed the constitutional conflict of the Vormärz resurfaced and, in 1850, jelled with the Austro-Prussian contest in Germany to produce a diplomatic crisis of the first order..."<br>See:  www.ohio.edu/chastain/dh/hessek.htm<br><br>
-The story of Johannes Frederick, as he was known then, has long fascinated his descendants, and provoked much speculation.   The story was  that he had left then-Prussia quickly and could not return. He returned to England where his wife met him for the trip to America.  She was pregnant with their first child at the time. Her sister and possibly one brother accompanied her. It was joked that "Aunt Mary" crossed the ocean but never saw it; Mary Frederick was born in August not long after they arrived in America in 1852.  John Frederick's grandson, Fred Kline, said he knew the reason he had to leave, but wouldn't tell it, so to his mind it was a serious infraction. The area was in upheaval at the time, a confrontation with Austria developing. Johannes   and Anna may have already planned to emigrate, and he was simply draft-dodging.  The older houses in both Frankershausen and Hitzerode are three-part: the family living space, an equipment and feed storage space and finally the animal quarters.  Another descendant through the Etzel line said their family story said that as their story went, "he escaped through the dung hole", where the cow manure was shoveled out of the animal quarters. So someone was at the door. I  [[John Frederick Biography|(See complete biography)]]
+The story of Johannes Friederick, as he was known then, has long fascinated his descendants, and provoked much speculation.   The story was that he had left then-Prussia quickly and could not return. He returned to England where his wife met him for the trip to America.  She was pregnant with their first child at the time. Her sister and possibly one brother accompanied her. It was joked that "Aunt Mary" crossed the ocean but never saw it; Mary Frederick was born in August not long after they arrived in America in 1852.  John Frederick's grandson, Fred Kline, said he knew the reason he had to leave, but wouldn't tell it, so to his mind it was a serious infraction. The area was in upheaval at the time, a confrontation with Austria developing. Johannes   and Anna may have already planned to emigrate, and he was simply draft-dodging.  The older houses in both Frankershausen and Hitzerode are three-part: the family living space, an equipment and feed storage space and finally the animal quarters.  Another descendant through the Etzel line said their family story said that as their story went, "he escaped through the dung hole", where the cow manure was shoveled out of the animal quarters. So someone was at the door. I  [[John Frederick Biography|(See complete biography)]]
-<br> Note that [[John Frederick Dietrich]] was born in Hitzerode Germany in 1822, the same town and year as our ancestor John Frederick.   [[John Frederick Dietrich]] settled in Allegheny County PA in 1840; his brother Wilhelm "William" Dietrich, also born in Hitzerode but in 1827, settled in Clarion Co. PA (date unknown to us) as did our John Frederick in 1852.  Our John Frederick is thought to have made his initial trip to Pennsylvania alone, perhaps to purchase land before returning to England for the 2nd voyage with his wife in 1852.   It is possible he met with [[John Frederick Dietrich]] or brother William to confer about available land; [[John Frederick Dietrich]], and possibly brother William, having arrived in 1840 would have been well settled by then.    Eventually two children of Johan Frederick would marry children of [[John Frederick Dietrich]].<br>([[Emlenton, Pennsylvania]])
+<br> Note that [[John Frederick Dietrich]] was also born in Hitzerode Germany in 1822, the same town and year as our ancestor John Frederick.   [[John Frederick Dietrich]] settled in Allegheny County PA in 1840; his brother Wilhelm "William" Dietrich, also born in Hitzerode but in 1827, settled in Clarion Co. PA (date unknown to us) as did our John Frederick in 1852.  Our John Frederick is thought to have made his initial trip to Pennsylvania alone, perhaps to purchase land before returning to England for the 2nd voyage with his wife in 1852.   It is possible he met with [[John Frederick Dietrich]] or brother William to confer about available land; [[John Frederick Dietrich]], and possibly brother William, having arrived in 1840 would have been well settled by then.    Eventually two children of Johan Frederick would marry children of [[John Frederick Dietrich]].<br>([[Emlenton, Pennsylvania]])
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-|'''Records of the Hessian Institute for Regional History''', available on MyHeritage.com, 2023, research of [[Elizabeth Ann Wilson|EWW]]. Johannes Frederich departed Hitzelrode-Meissner-Kreis, Hesse, Germany in March of 1852; destination United
+|'''Records of the Hessian Institute for Regional History''', research of [[Elizabeth Ann Wilson|EWW]]. Johannes Frederich departed Hitzelrode-Meissner-Kreis, Hesse, Germany in March of 1852; destination United
 States.
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 | '''Marriage''' ||12 Oct 1850;<br> 20 Oct 1851  ||Hitzerode or Frankershausen, Landgraviate of Hesse Kassel (See Source notes) || To [[Anna Catherine Kenemuth]]   || <sup class="reference">[7][15]</sup>
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 | '''Death'''    || 12 Apr 1912<sup class="reference">[8]</sup><br>expect 1926 or later<sup class="reference">[12]</sup><br>See source notes ||Ashland Twp., Clarion Co. PA   || || <sup class="reference">[8][12]</sup>

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 [[Image:John Frederick wedding photo cropped.jpg|140px|left]][[Image:John Frederick.jpg|150px|left]][[Image:John Frederick 2.jpg|150px|left]] <br style="clear:both;"/>[[Image:Signature John Frederick.jpg|230px|left]]<br style="clear:both;"/>
 <br><br>The politics & economy of Hesse Cassel in 1850: "Hesse-Kassel or Electorate Hesse (Kurhessen) (was) a mid-size German state, strategically located between the main part of Prussia and the Prussian provinces of Westphalia in western Germany, traversed by two Prussian military roads. In the 1830s and 1840s, Hesse-Kassel was known chiefly for its poverty, its archaic agrarian structure, and its acrimonious constitutional politics. In the aftermath of the 1848 revolution, the very same issues which fed the constitutional conflict of the Vormärz resurfaced and, in 1850, jelled with the Austro-Prussian contest in Germany to produce a diplomatic crisis of the first order..."<br>See:  www.ohio.edu/chastain/dh/hessek.htm<br><br>
-The story of John Frederick has long fascinated his descendants, and provoked much speculation.   The story was  that he had left then-Prussia quickly and could not return. He returned to England where his wife met him for the trip to America.  She was pregnant with their first child at the time and her sister and possibly one brother accompanied her. It was joked that "Aunt Mary" crossed the ocean but never saw it; Mary Frederick was born in August not long after they arrived in America in 1852.  John Frederick's grandson, Fred Kline, said he knew the reason  he had to leave, but wouldn't tell it, so to his mind it was a serious infraction. The area was in upheaval at the time, a confrontation with Austria developing. He and Anna may have already planned to emigrate, and he was simply draft-dodging.  The older houses in both Frankershausen and Hitzerode are three-part: the family living space, an equipment and feed storage space and finally the animal quarters.  Another descendant through the Etzel line said their family story said that as their story went, "he excaped through the dung hole", where the cow manure was shoveled out of the animal quarters. So someone was at the door. I  [[John Frederick Biography|(See complete biography)]]
+The story of Johannes Frederick, as he was known then, has long fascinated his descendants, and provoked much speculation.   The story was  that he had left then-Prussia quickly and could not return. He returned to England where his wife met him for the trip to America.  She was pregnant with their first child at the time. Her sister and possibly one brother accompanied her. It was joked that "Aunt Mary" crossed the ocean but never saw it; Mary Frederick was born in August not long after they arrived in America in 1852.  John Frederick's grandson, Fred Kline, said he knew the reason he had to leave, but wouldn't tell it, so to his mind it was a serious infraction. The area was in upheaval at the time, a confrontation with Austria developing. Johannes   and Anna may have already planned to emigrate, and he was simply draft-dodging.  The older houses in both Frankershausen and Hitzerode are three-part: the family living space, an equipment and feed storage space and finally the animal quarters.  Another descendant through the Etzel line said their family story said that as their story went, "he escaped through the dung hole", where the cow manure was shoveled out of the animal quarters. So someone was at the door. I  [[John Frederick Biography|(See complete biography)]]
 <br> Note that [[John Frederick Dietrich]] was born in Hitzerode Germany in 1822, the same town and year as our ancestor John Frederick.   [[John Frederick Dietrich]] settled in Allegheny County PA in 1840; his brother Wilhelm "William" Dietrich, also born in Hitzerode but in 1827, settled in Clarion Co. PA (date unknown to us) as did our John Frederick in 1852.  Our John Frederick is thought to have made his initial trip to Pennsylvania alone, perhaps to purchase land before returning to England for the 2nd voyage with his wife in 1852.   It is possible he met with [[John Frederick Dietrich]] or brother William to confer about available land; [[John Frederick Dietrich]], and possibly brother William, having arrived in 1840 would have been well settled by then.    Eventually two children of Johan Frederick would marry children of [[John Frederick Dietrich]].<br>([[Emlenton, Pennsylvania]])
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 |'''Research & personal correspondence of Wilda Dietrich Dehart''', 1992-1997.
 * [[Emma B. Frederick]]'s first daughter, Bertha Frederick, was raised by her grandparents John & Catherine Frederick.  Bertha did housekeeping for John Frederick after Catherine died, so possibly knew more of their history.  Bertha's daughter Alvida Coates related the following:<br> When John (Johannes) Frederick left Germany, he escaped through "the dung hole", an opening for removing manure from the animal quarters section of the 3-part house/barn. So, apparently someone was at the door waiting to either arrest or conscript him. <br>After Catherine Kennemuth (Frederick) died in 1889, John made several trips to Pittsburgh to visit daughter Mary Frederick (Dietrich). '' John remarried, and the 2nd wife committed suicide''.
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-| '''Birth'''    ||17 Aug 1822   ||Hitzerode,Hesse Cassel/Kuhrhessen, Germany   || || <sup class="reference">[7][15]</sup>
+| '''Birth'''    ||17 Aug 1822   ||Hitzerode,Landgraviate of Hesse Cassel  || || <sup class="reference">[7][15]</sup>
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-| '''Marriage''' ||12 Oct 1850;<br> 20 Oct 1851  ||Hitzerode, Ger. || To [[Anna Catherine Kenemuth]]   || <sup class="reference">[7][15]</sup>
+| '''Marriage''' ||12 Oct 1850;<br> 20 Oct 1851  ||Hitzerode or Frankershausen, Landgraviate of Hesse Kassel (See Source notes) || To [[Anna Catherine Kenemuth]]   || <sup class="reference">[7][15]</sup>
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 | '''Death'''    || 12 Apr 1912<sup class="reference">[8]</sup><br>expect 1926 or later<sup class="reference">[12]</sup><br>See source notes ||Ashland Twp., Clarion Co. PA   || || <sup class="reference">[8][12]</sup>
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 ===Source notes===
-*Hitzerode, Germany is about 20 miles SE of Kassel, in Hesse. Frankershausen is several miles from Hitzerode.  Both are quite small towns.
+*Hitzerode, Germany is about 20 miles SE of Kassel, in Hesse. Frankershausen is several miles from Hitzerode.  Both are quite small towns.  In 1852 and before, they were part of the Landgraviate of Hesse Cassel, NOT Kurhessen, a Natzi division of the Province of Hesse Nassau, as some researchers have it.
 * Dr. Kurt Guenther, in typing up his notes on the Frederick & Kuhnemuth families, has indicated on the Frederick page that John Frederick & Anna Catherine Kuhnemuth were married in Hitzerode.  On the Kuhnemuth page he indicates that they were married in Frankershausen.
 * Lieberum Cemetery (land donated by the Lieberum family), also known as the "Dutch" (ie German) cemetery, is near the old Frederick farm.  The cemetery is possibly at the site of the former St. Johns Reform Church.

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-These photos of John Frederick appear to be at the home of John Abram Kline and Elizabeth Frederick Kline. The photo at left shows him by the side porch before it was converted to a closed-in porch. Some of the stone steps used at this house were found down nearer the woods, the remains of the first house built on the property. The woman in the doorway could be his granddaughter Annie Kline.  The center photo shows the front yard and a
+These photos of John Frederick appear to be at the home of John Abram Kline and Elizabeth Frederick Kline. The photo at left shows him by the side porch before it was converted to a closed-in porch. Some of the stone steps used at this house were found down nearer the woods, the remains of the first house built on the property. The woman in the doorway could be his granddaughter Annie Kline.  The center photo shows the front yard and a bit of the front vegetable garden, then plum trees to the left.