Johan Nicholas Klein - Revision history

Liz: will of a Hannah Faust of Berks Co. Pa, witnessed by Nicholas & John Klein in 1812; wit web address

2010-04-05T02:59:33Z

will of a Hannah Faust of Berks Co. Pa, witnessed by Nicholas & John Klein in 1812; wit web address

Liz: add extracted birth record of Nicholas Klein 1772 to displayed records, Lehigh/Zion'z Lutheran Church; source # attribution; page complete

2008-07-10T16:34:13Z

add extracted birth record of Nicholas Klein 1772 to displayed records, Lehigh/Zion'z Lutheran Church; source # attribution; page complete

Brady: /* Children */ fix date

2007-12-29T23:27:49Z

‎Children: fix date

Liz: corrections re. 1st wife's name, Magdalena: childrens c hart & source notes

2007-11-23T17:37:13Z

corrections re. 1st wife's name, Magdalena: childrens c hart & source notes

Liz: son of Johannes Peter Klein, correction

2007-11-23T17:13:58Z

son of Johannes Peter Klein, correction

Liz: sorting Nicholas Klein church records

2007-11-18T06:50:39Z

sorting Nicholas Klein church records

Liz: note re. older Nicholas Klein, probably an uncle; moved specific birth records for 4 children to this page from Lehigh church records;; add bapt. line to vitals chart

2007-11-17T16:26:37Z

note re. older Nicholas Klein, probably an uncle; moved specific birth records for 4 children to this page from Lehigh church records;; add bapt. line to vitals chart

Liz: punctuation

2007-11-17T15:54:15Z

punctuation

Liz: /* Children */ Mother's name was Maria Unknown

2007-11-17T15:51:59Z

‎Children: Mother's name was Maria Unknown

Brady: /* Sources */ adding 1800 census

2007-08-20T22:06:07Z

‎Sources: adding 1800 census

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 *We expect that Nicholas Klein, son of Johannes Peter Klein,  was named for an uncle Nicholas Klein.  There is a Nicholas Klein and Margaretha, whose  four children were born between 1776 and 1781, as recorded in [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]].  This older Nicholas is probably a brother of [[Johannes Peter Klein]], but we have no record of him as such. <br>* '''Johann Nicolaus Klein''' b. 5 March 1772; bapt 9 Apr 1772; parents [[Johannes Klein]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina]]; sponsors; ''Johan Nicolaus Klein'' & Catherine B. Keiser.
 ===Conjecture===
+* Abstracts of Berks Co. PA wills, 1812: FAUST, HANNAH, Bern. May 1, 1812 - December 11, 1812. Divided farm implements and stock between sons Philip and Ludwig.  To dau. Susanna household goods, etc.  Sons Dewald and Daniel £20 each. Exr: Friend Daniel WERDMAN.   ''Wits: Nicholas KLEIN and John KLEIN.''  Translation.<br>See at:  http://berks.pa-roots.com/wills/Abstracts1811-1815.html
 =Research Wishlist=
 Longswamp church records for a possible marraige record, Joh. Nicholas Klein & Magdalena Unknown; a death record of Magdalena Klein, or additional baptismal records for children of Nicholas & Magdalena. Needed to establish whether Magdalena was a first wife to Nicholas, son of Johannes & Catharina Klein, or if Nicholas, husband of Magdalena, is another person.

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-| '''Birth'''    ||5 March 1772; bap. April 9, 1772   || Lower Macungie Twp. Lehigh Co. PA  || || <sup class="reference"></sup>
+| '''Birth'''    ||5 March 1772; bap. April 9, 1772   || Lower Macungie Twp. Lehigh Co. PA  || || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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-| '''Baptism'''    ||9Apr 1772  || Zion's Lutheran Church/(Lehigh Church) ||sponsors: Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser. || <sup class="reference"></sup>
+| '''Baptism'''    ||9Apr 1772  || Zion's Lutheran Church/(Lehigh Church) ||sponsors: Johan Nicolaus Klein & Catherine B. Keiser. || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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-| '''Marriage''' ||   ||expect Lehigh Co PA  || To Maria Unknown  || <sup class="reference"></sup>
+| '''1st Marriage''' ||   ||expect Lehigh Co PA  || To Magdalena Unknown  || <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
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 | '''Death'''    ||  ||   || || <sup class="reference"></sup>
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                           +-- [[Catherine Unknown]]
                               (????->1818)
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+   Sources: <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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 =Children=
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 ! Location || Dates || Notes || Sources
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-|Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA   ||1772 birth - at least 1808, birth of 4th child   || ||
+|Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA   ||1772 birth - at least 1808, birth of 4th child   || ||<sup class="reference">[1][3]</sup>
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 !'''3'''
 |'''Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church'''
 <br>Children of Nicolaus Kleyn/Klein & Maria:
 *  Peter Kleyn  b. 25 May 1804; bapt. 15 July 15 1804; parents '''Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria'''; sponsors Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina

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 ! Name || Gender || Date of Birth || Birthplace || Spouse || Notes || Sources
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-|Catharina Klein  || F ||17 Jan 18002; bap.24 Aug ||Longswamp T. Berks Co PA ||  ||sponsors: [[Johannes Peter Klein|Johannes]] & <br> [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina Klein]]".   || <sup class="reference">[2] </sup>
+|Catharina Klein  || F ||17 Jan 1802; bap.24 Aug ||Longswamp T. Berks Co PA ||  ||sponsors: [[Johannes Peter Klein|Johannes]] & <br> [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina Klein]]".   || <sup class="reference">[2] </sup>
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 (Children with Maria Unknown)

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 (Children with Maria Unknown)
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 ! Name || Gender || Date of Birth || Birthplace || Spouse || Notes || Sources
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-|David Kleyn  || M ||June 23,1802; bap. July 18, 1802 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA ||  ||sponsors: Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)|| <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
+|David Kleyn  || M ||June 23,1802; bap. July 18, 1802 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA ||  ||sponsors: Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)|| <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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-|  Peter Kleyn    || M || May 25, 1804; bap. July 15, 1804||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||   || sponsors: Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina|| <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
+|  Peter Kleyn    || M || May 25, 1804; bap. July 15, 1804||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||   || sponsors: Daniel Schankweiler & Catharina|| <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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-| Elisabeth Kleyn ||F ||May 13, 1806; bap.July 13, 1806 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||     ||sponsors: Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single. || <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
+| Elisabeth Kleyn ||F ||May 13, 1806; bap.July 13, 1806 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA  ||     ||sponsors: Johannes Wetzel & Elisabeth Muller, both single. || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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-| Salome Klein  || F ||May 6, 1808; bap. July 24, 1808 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA    ||   || sponsors: Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.  || <sup class="reference">[2]</sup>
+| Salome Klein  || F ||May 6, 1808; bap. July 24, 1808 ||Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA    ||   || sponsors: Jacob Truckenmiller & Maria.  || <sup class="reference">[3]</sup>
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 ! Location || Dates || Notes || Sources
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-|Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA   ||1772 birth - > 1808 4th child   || ||
+|Lower Macungie T. Lehigh Co PA   ||1772 birth - at least 1808, birth of 4th child   || ||
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 John Klein: 1 male and 1 female >45.  This fits for ''Johannes Peter Klein'' and his wife.<br>Jacob Klein: 4 males <10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female <10, 1 female 26-44.  This fits the list of children for ''Johan Jacob Klein''.  There is an extra male 16-25, and the age for [[Elizabetha Vogele]] is off by a year.<br> Henry Klein: 1 male 16-26, 2 females <10, 1 female 16-26.  No known relation fits these data.  <br> These listing account for all the sons of Johannes Peter Klein except for the youngest, [[Johannes Klein]], who should have been 26 in 1800.  He could be one of the males living with his brothers.
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 !'''2'''
 |'''Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church'''
 <br>Children of Nicolaus Kleyn/Klein & Maria:
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 * David Kleyn  b. 23 June 1802; bapt. 18 July 1802; parents '''Nicolaus Kleyn & Maria'''; sponsors Daniel Klock & Eva Feynbay(?)
 |See [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]]
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-!'''3'''
-|'''Church Records of Longswamp Reformed Church 1748-1810''', Folder #78, Longswamp Twp. collection, Berks Co. Genealogical Society Library, Kutztown, PA. , photocopy Feb. 1995 By E W Williams.<br>"Catharina Klein, dau. of Joh. Nicolaus & Magdalena Klein, born 17 Jan. 1800, baptized 24 Aug., sponsors [[Johannes Peter Klein|Johannes]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina Klein]]".
-|See [[Longswamp Reformed Church Records]] for Klein & other surnames.
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 ===Source notes===
-*Whether the Nicholas Klein of Longswamp Church in 1800 is the same person as Nicholas Klein/Kleyn of The Lehigh Church in 1802-1808 is unclear.  His first wife, Elisabeth may have died, as there is only the one record at Longswamp. Nicholas possibly remarried to Maria from the Lehigh congregation.  Because the baptismal sponsors at Longswamp in 1800 are Johannes & Catherina Klein, it is probable that Nicholas (married to Elisabeth) is their son.   The relationship of Nicholas (married to Maria, with children born 1802-1808) is less certain.
+*Whether the Nicholas Klein of Longswamp Church in 1800 is the same person as Nicholas Klein/Kleyn of The Lehigh Church in 1802-1808 is unclear.  His first wife, Magdalena may have died, as there is only the one record at Longswamp. Nicholas possibly remarried to Maria from the Lehigh congregation.  Because the baptismal sponsors at Longswamp in 1800 are Johannes & Catherina Klein, it is probable that Nicholas (married to Magdalena) is their son.   The relationship of Nicholas (married to Maria, with children born 1802-1808) is less certain. The Anna Maria & Jacob Truckenmiller who sponsor the birth of Salome Klein are tangentially related to Nicholas Klein the son of Johan Peter Klein.  Anna Maria Truckenmiller was nee Vogele, a sister of [[Elizabetha Vogele]] who married Nicholas Klein's brother [[Johan Jacob Klein]].
-*We expect that Nicholas Klein was named for an uncle Nicholas Klein.  There is a Nicholas Klein and Margaretha, whose  four children were born between 1776 and 1781, as recorded in [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]].  This older Nicholas is probably a brother of [[Johannes Peter Klein]], but we have no record of him as such. <br>* '''Johann Nicolaus Klein''' b. 5 March 1772; bapt 9 Apr 1772; parents [[Johannes Klein]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina]]; sponsors; ''Johan Nicolaus Klein'' & Catherine B. Keiser.
+*We expect that Nicholas Klein, son of Johannes Peter Klein,  was named for an uncle Nicholas Klein.  There is a Nicholas Klein and Margaretha, whose  four children were born between 1776 and 1781, as recorded in [[Records of Lehigh Church/Zion's Lutheran Church]].  This older Nicholas is probably a brother of [[Johannes Peter Klein]], but we have no record of him as such. <br>* '''Johann Nicolaus Klein''' b. 5 March 1772; bapt 9 Apr 1772; parents [[Johannes Klein]] & [[Catherine Unknown|Catharina]]; sponsors; ''Johan Nicolaus Klein'' & Catherine B. Keiser.
 ===Conjecture===

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 ''Johan Nicholas Klein'' is not in my direct ancestry. He is 1 step removed in the following ways:
 * Brother of [[Johan Jacob Klein]]
-* Son of [[Johannes Klein]] and [[Catherine Unknown]]
+* Son of [[Johannes Peter Klein]] and [[Catherine Unknown]]
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